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POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

Last post 07 Oct 2009, 1:15 AM by Frank. 67 replies.
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  •  27 Sep 2009, 3:42 PM 2690 in reply to 2687

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    I am not going to comment on AL's policies or the perceived "invasion of privacy" which some have voiced. I can, however, give you a contractor's point of view, although it is probably not all contractor's opinion. I will put this in the context of a tile contractor since it is the only perspective with which I am familiar..

    I have spent years building my business and reputation. This, if you think about it, is a very tenuous juggling act. If a customer has a great experience they will tell the next person that asks them about their experience with your company. If a customer has a negative experience they will tell everyone they know and everyone they don't. This is why I feel AL is a benefit to both contractors and clients, it allows the good to get out there as well as the bad. As a contractor, however, you are never guaranteed the good reviews, even if you have hundreds of them. They are rarely put out there for prospective future clients to review in a non-biased medium. You are, however, guaranteed the negative reviews, always. Remember, clients will tell everyone about a negative experience.

    As a contractor I always have this in the back of my mind, I work endlessly to make certain my clients are absolutely happy with my services. Whether or not the client is a member of AL is irrelevant,  there are thousands of places on line and off where a negative experience can be posted. Any respectable, responsible contractor knows this.

    Example:  the last time you sat with a friend and asked them about their auto repair you received one of two answers. "I took it to so-and-so and they got it fixed." or "I took it to so-and-so and they messed it up so badly, I'm so upset I don't know what to do" Which one of these answers do you think turns into a ten minute conversation? Which one is going to permanently burn the mechanic's name or company into your brain? It won't be the first.

    If you have a problem with a contractor the first step, of course, is to take it up with the contractor and attempt to get it resolved. Any responsible contractor will do what they can to fix the problem - always. If they don't then they deserve a negative review in my opinion. Stuff happens - always. Contractors are human and at times certain circumstances will create unforeseen problems. A contractor's honesty, reliability, and integrity should also be measured by the manner in which they handle complaints or problems. I feel this to be a very reliable measure of a company.  I can go from feeling questionable about a company to feeling incredible about them by the way they handle a complaint. It can also go in the other direction - quickly.

    That said, a large amount of responsibility is laid upon the client to decide whether or not to post a negative review, although many do not look at it like that. It is incumbent upon you, the would be client, to try to weed out the viable negative comments from the overreactions simply because a lot of people do not think before they post something they may later not feel as adamant about. Or they post something negative without even attempting to contact the contractor or even thinking before doing so. I'm not saying that negative feedback is always bogus, it isn't. But it sometimes can be.

    The best thing to do, in my opinion, is to ask the contractor about it. If they tried everything they could possibly do to make the situation right and still couldn't then you can make your decision on that. Judge the way they answer the question. Do they explain what happened clearly and what they tried to do to make it right? Or do they get upset, badmouth the client, put the blame on everyone and everything else? This is a great indicator for you about whether or not you feel you can trust the contractor. The ultimate decision lies with you, the client.

    I look at complaints as opportunities to further impress my clients. That is exactly what they are. Every contractor gets complaints, the measure of a company is how they are handled and resolved. Not everything can be controlled, different situations require different solutions and the ability to resolve these situations is what makes a particular contractor stellar.

    For the contractors: if you have a problem or complaint - fix it. It's usually that simple. I have had to fix things that I've ended up losing money on but you can't buy a reputation. If you have a client that absolutely cannot be satisfied simply accept that and move on. I know they exist and you can only do so much. Just document everything you've attempted to fix the problem, calmly and factually explain that when it is brought up and show the documentation to any future clients that bring it up. If it was something that was out of your control the prospective client will realize that and it shouldn't have any bearing on their decision to hire you. If they don't realize it you probably don't want to work for them anyway.

    For the clients: If there is a complaint against a company or contractor you are concerned about - ask them about it. The manner in which they answer will tell you more about them than hours and hours of research. Being concerned about a contractor receiving your personal information? That, to me, is a ridiculous argument - sorry. Any contractor with whom you've had legitimate dealings already has all the information AL will forward to them and probably a lot more. If you are that concerned with it then you have more problems than what AL will create for you by forwarding that information. It's probably something you need to take up with the proper authorities rather than AL. Let's be realistic.

    As always - just my opinion. Wink

     


    Roger
    Tile and Stone Contractor
    Fort Collins, CO
    TileArtCenter.com
  •  27 Sep 2009, 11:50 PM 2691 in reply to 2690

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    TA,

      That was an impressive spiel, are you shur your a contractor?  Don't bother answering that. I already checked you out.

     I agree, if a client has had dealings with a legitimate contractor:  WE already know way more info then AL will provide.

    My take on AL is to weed out the half a-- non doing, CC's. That is where the client, customer, consumer comes into play. Don't be afraid to let everyone and anyone know who you had a bad experience with and like wise let everyone know who you had a good exprience with.

    The bottom line comes down to YOU  the consumer, if YOU do not make your wants and needs clear, YOU will have problems.

     

     

  •  28 Sep 2009, 1:43 PM 2695 in reply to 2690

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    I wish the reports were sent anon.  A safer way to post about a bad contractor is to use more ambiguous terms and no damaging terms, simply:  "would not bring back".  leave it at that.  If you want to post any type of comment you wish, anonymously, you can join consumer checkbook.  If you compare the reviews of the same company in both places you will often find dramatic differences, Consumer Checkbook is anon, people can be honest, blunt. I have to admit that recently an electrician did an extremely dangerous job on my home.  He switched pricey, url listed equipment with crap that was inappropriate. I only found out by accident because I have a friend who is an engineer.  I then had another electrician come and tear out everything the first guy did, and replace it.  The loss to me was about 2000.  The man is dangerous obviously, with no respect or concern for the lives of others. However, to protect myself, I will not review him on Angies list.
  •  28 Sep 2009, 11:42 PM 2697 in reply to 2695

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    "The man is dangerous obviously, with no respect or concern for the lives of others. However, to protect myself, I will not review him on Angies list."

     So you will not inform your family, friends, neighbors,  about this supposed "dangerous" supposed "electrician".  

     As you stated," people can be honest,blunt."   Why is there so much of a problem with looking a contractor in the eye and telling him "This is not what we agreed on." 

    Let your displeasure be known and give the yahoo the opportunity to make right. 

     Your engineer friend, you did not specify what his engineering degree is in?  HVAC, electrical, structural, etc..

    In my experience engineers are similar to architects and lawyers, common sense does not apply.

    The only time I have seen a homeowner harassed, assaulted, etc.. is when the homeowner did not make clear exactly what they wanted,  they went with the low end,cheap estimate, or they refused to pay for the services agreed upon.

     I have always thought there should be something similar to AL for contractors. There are a lot of people out there that want something for nothing.

     BF, the bottom line is you get what you pay for!

     

     


  •  29 Sep 2009, 1:40 PM 2698 in reply to 2697

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    I paid the regular price for him, he was not a fly by night guy, he has a licensed business.   He was highly reccomended by my insurance agent. I have told my friends, neighbors, real estate agent, and the insurance agent who will no longer reccomend him of course.  He cannot fix the problem as he is not certified to do the proper fix which is why he fudged it. The incorrect work was assessed and details written and photographed by one of the most reputable firms on Angies list.  I would not want him in my home...why bring trouble back?  My home is safe now and legal actions are initiated and will be bolstered with my photgraphs, videos, and the actual dangerous equipment that was removed.
  •  29 Sep 2009, 11:46 PM 2699 in reply to 2698

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    Outstanding Bf !

    My experience with insurance agents and real estate agents is they are sales people, B.S. is a prevalent part of there business. Generally most of them are into rehabbing/flipping so the people they use are towards the low end of quality, craftsmanship, knowledge, etc..

    I gave my insurance agent an estimate and he came unglued about the cost. About 9 months later he paid about a third more then the original estimate for me to fix the short term job.

    So back to rating on a bad experience. I think everyone should rate there experience with a contractor, good or bad, if you have  done your research,( AL, SM, etc..) You will more then likely end up with a project completed to your satisfaction.

     This fear of contractor retaliation and harassment where did this come from??Confused   Are you in one of those places that scream union/O.C./mob?

    If you are dealing with a reputable contractor( did your homework), and you are straight up as a consumer, ( as in not looking for something for nothing), then there should not be an issue with having to make a bad report. A good contractor will make it right and a bad contractor is to busy trying to scam his next victim to take the time to recon you and your home.

    So report the scheming, scamming, non doing CC's, provided you are legit.

    You are doing a disservice to society if you don't.

     

     

  •  30 Sep 2009, 3:25 PM 2700 in reply to 2699

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    We've already established he is a "bad" contractor and should not be in my home or anyone elses home. The final outcome can be posted formally on Angies List once we have a BBB outcome and the consumer safety orgs and chamber of commerace in my county have done their thing.  I really don't know what you mean by am I "legit".  I am a 55 year old professional with a Ph.D, a homeowner, a shelter volunteer, a mother, an educator, a licensed driver with no moving violations or accidents in my lifetime, I've supported myself through working since ag 14 and put myself thru college and graduate school, I don't lie, cheat or steal, or exploit myself or others for any reason; is that legit in your mind? This is my final post on this issue until it is resolved legally.  It's sad that the posts here are so immature and lacking; I had hoped for something more informative and intellectually on target. 
  •  07 Oct 2009, 1:15 AM 2714 in reply to 2700

    Re: POST REPORTS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    No , YOU established in your mind that he is a bad contractor. What is the other side of the story?  

    As I said, if you as the consumer don't make your wants and needs clear you will have problems.

    Your description of yourself in my opinion qualifies as legit.  BUT, did you make your wants and needs clear? I think you didn't. I think you are looking for something for nothing.

    If you want informative and intellectually on target conversation go sit in on a lecture at Harvard or some other prestigious school of non doing CC's.

     This forum has mostly unaware home owners and a sprinkle of real  contractors.

     When it comes to home improvement you get what you pay for. 

     

     

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