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This list is a joke!

Last post 05 May 2008, 9:42 PM by ocdgirl2000. 52 replies.
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  •  10 Aug 2007, 1:09 PM 1524

    Super Angry [8o|] This list is a joke!

    Don't believe the reports on the contractors listed here.  We used CertaPro Painters since they were so highly regarded on the list here in Indianapolis.  Try drinking, non-english speaking workers playing soccer in our master bedroom!  The paint job was the worst I have seen!  Then they tried to cut the price by more than half but wanted us to keep quiet about it.  Real professionalism. 

    All the other contractors we found on the list were similar in actvivities.  Poor quality, professionalism and bad attitudes.  We found out that alot of the contractors either bribe you to give a good review or browbeat you to remove bad reviews.  Hmmm.

     

    Just wanted to pass this along.

  •  10 Aug 2007, 3:27 PM 1526 in reply to 1524

    Re: This list is a joke!

    Sounds like you've had bad experiences, and I hope you are posting them on the list. 

    As for "bribing" and "browbeating," I have certainly never experienced it, and who would respond to that kind of behavior?  I did have one contractor become abusive with me after I left an accurately negative report on the List, but I reported that behavior on the list, too.

    The List is not a joke.


    Central Ohio
  •  11 Aug 2007, 1:35 AM 1528 in reply to 1524

    Re: This list is a joke!

    Drum roll please - - -

    I agree with commonsense!

    The list is only as good as the people who provide input to it.

    If you come across businesses who you think are completely off base and make inappropriate offers to solicit specific ratings, you should call the folks at Angie's List.  They survive on memberships and the credibility of the list.  It is in their interest to find and eliminate the sort of business nonsense you cite.

    Posting your thoughts here is completely appropriate.  The moderators are (for the most part) Angie's List employees so your post here will get notice.  But, the phone call will give you assurance that your remarks are heard and taken seriously.

    Stick around.  Critical eyes are useful.

  •  11 Aug 2007, 7:10 AM 1529 in reply to 1528

    Re: This list is a joke!

    But Mike, you and I are always in perfect agreement. 
    Central Ohio
  •  14 Sep 2007, 7:26 AM 1741 in reply to 1524

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    I guess I'll never be moving to Indy. Hope all that info got posted to the contractor's report.
  •  16 Sep 2007, 9:02 AM 1750 in reply to 1524

    Re: This list is a joke!

    I agree. We used a pool plastering company in the Philly area. While the pool looked great afterward, and I had few complaints about the workers, the job was not done on time for my disabled son's 17th birthday party. This was the only reason we hired these guys, because they said they would definitely get the job done on time. Also, they, not us, called a pool water co. we'd never heard of after the job was complete, and these guys tore up our neighbor's yard getting stuck on the driveway down our flag lot. When I called the company's owner to complain & try to get the phone # of these guys, he was extremely rude. Later, I gave his professionalism and responsiveness a "D" grade, while I gave the job itself As and Bs. He later posted a lie-filled paragraph underneath my description of his job, saying that it was us who held up the job (NOT)!, and it was our pool water co. which had a problem (he called them, not us). Two other people had given positive reviews, and that's why we went with this company.

         We paid over $7,000.00 for this treatment.

         I complained to Angie's list, and they did post a couple of sentences as an update in the same paragraph as my original post. It pales in comparison to the lie-filled rant which followed. Anyone reading this would probably side with him, so this list is kind of a joke. I think I will resign in protest. A better way of doing this list would be like "Checkbook" does it: To have anonymous rating scales, and no verbal descriptions. That way, the contractor can't target you for harassment or just lying about your job.

         I'm sorry you had the experience you did. Sometimes I wonder if these contractors don't get their friends to post positive reviews. Nobody would know. I guess the BBB is the only reliable organization for investigating contractors. Otherwise, it's a giant crapshoot.

     

      

  •  16 Sep 2007, 10:56 AM 1751 in reply to 1750

    Re: This list is a joke!

    I wouldn’t put to much weight into the BBB. It is a “Paid” for service and the cost of the service to join depends on the revenue you do. Know one can tell me that if you take money from businesses, that you can be 100% unbiased.

     

    Angie’s list also now takes money from businesses (lots of it) as they now have a business that helps businesses “market” their businesses. They also now have a “mailing list” for local businesses to use to market their business. Angie’s list gained the trust of folks as they promoted that contractors cannot get themselves on the list, businesses cannot pay to get on the list…well that don’t hold to much weight anymore in my book.

     

    Angie’s list should be turned into a free list for folks and money returned to those who paid for this service.

     

    Take the money from the contractors or the people…but now they take it from who ever gives it to them.

    I personally know a painter that was referred by a friend of his (they bragged about it) when he nailed a huge painting contract...


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  •  16 Sep 2007, 11:03 AM 1752 in reply to 1524

    Re: This list is a joke!

    Certa-Pro used to be CollegePro painting..the same folks and same franchise - My guess is College Pro got such a bad name.
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  •  16 Sep 2007, 4:07 PM 1753 in reply to 1751

    Re: This list is a joke!

    Thanks for telling me about this aspect of Angie's list. I didn't know. I did know that about the BBB. At least you can check with them to see if a company has had any complaints. We just hired a bath remodeling co. which had won a BBB torch award, with no complaints in its 7-year existence. We were more than happy with them.

         You're right; the way Angie's list is set up kinda begs for corruption. I stupidly just re-joined it, but won't in the future.

     

        

  •  17 Sep 2007, 7:24 AM 1755 in reply to 1753

    Re: This list is a joke!

    This list, much like others, should be used as a tool in conjunction with other evaluation methods.  There is no magic bullet. 

    Sorry about your bad luck though. 

  •  18 Sep 2007, 1:29 AM 1762 in reply to 1755

    Re: This list is a joke!

    When I joined Angie's, it was because a friend suggested it as one more tool in my box.

    Since then, I've found personal word of mouth recommendations much more reliable.   Plus, in my state I can check the state contractors licensing bureau and other agencies

  •  18 Sep 2007, 5:52 AM 1765 in reply to 1762

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    I read an article that the BBB is rebranding and that the business reviews are going to drop the satsifactory and unsastisfactory ratings and incorperate the a - f system that includes how long the company has been in business, reviews, membership etc. The BB is too going to drop the member of bbb and go with BBB accredited for it's members to use. I'm not saying Angieslist is bad, it's they left the raod they started on with charging for the "unbiased" reviews and now I can't see with the service to help businesses especially those that place the "angielist" logo in their ads how they can actually be "unbiased" ...
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  •  19 Sep 2007, 7:58 AM 1769 in reply to 1751

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    "Angie’s list also now takes money from businesses (lots of it) as they now have a business that helps businesses “market” their businesses."

    And isn't it a shame?  I sponsored my plumber on the List because he was so darned good.  He has since gotten several rave reviews.  I asked him if he thought he was getting more business from his listing, and what he said shocked me.  He said "No, but I keep getting calls from Angie's List asking if I want to pay them money to promote my business." 

    Angie's list has strayed very far from what it set out to be, although it is still a great resource.


    Central Ohio
  •  19 Sep 2007, 12:15 PM 1771 in reply to 1524

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    Here is why this list isn't accurate: people like yourself will pay to complain but won't be willing to pay a high fee to give praise to someone or a company. How many times have you gone out of your way to give a compliment to someone? You start with a good intention of doing it--making that phone call or writing that little note--but then you end up putting if off? Now take the good intention and add a ridiculous $60+ fee you'd have to pay just to give praise to someone and its less likely that you're going to follow through! Also my belief is that, every service company has lots of people working for them, sometimes they have good workers and sometimes they get some bad apples, but that isn't indicative of their overall quality.  I've hired a carpet cleaner that did work for my messy dog at least 5 times.  Three of the times they did a great job. But one time they chipped some dryway with their equipment.  But I gave them an opportunity to correct it and I got it resolved the mature way instead of just complaining on some pay to complain website!  Man, I could go off on message boards like this!

  •  19 Sep 2007, 2:59 PM 1772 in reply to 1771

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    "Man, I could go off on message boards like this!"

    Really?  What would that look like if it happened?

    I can't speak for everyone, but I have posted several Pages of Happiness when service providers were excellent.  In my daily life I make a point of telling people when they're doing a great job, because people deserve to hear that.  However, Angie's List wouldn't exist if some service providers were not doing the jobs they claim to do. 

    Also, for a person who isn't a member of Angie's List you sure seem to have a strong opinion about the List's inner workings.


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